Mashemon
Interview: Making Lists with Mashemon
By 5/1/2012
Photos by Keith Ainsworth
Synth-glam-punk-rock practitioners par excellence talk to Nerve about
the economics of making records, sourcing inexpensive musical equipment
and the Glam Rock Premiership.
Two-thirds of Mashemon, Rocky and Ronny (they claim these are their real
names but we’re unconvinced) sit in The Albert Pub, Lark Lane discussing
the latest activity in their self-created Glam Rock Premiership.
David Bowie and T-Rex are near-permanent table leaders, while a plethora
of other bands scramble for places in Europe below them. Lesser lights
such as Mud and The Sweet largely find themselves mid-table, but frequently
rise high enough to vie for entrance into UEFA.
A major influence on the group, do the band see the glam acts of the
seventies as kindred spirits then? ‘Yeah’ Rocky nods. ‘We’re
like hod carriers without the spandex.’
Getting down to business, Mashemon recently released superlative single
‘Guts’, their second of the year, a bovver booted stomp that
storms along like a pissed off droog from A
Clockwork Orange with codpiece trouble.
Anchored to a sleazy bass riff the Black Rebel Motorcycle Club would
be proud of with blazing axe work to match, it sounds suspiciously like
their finest work to date. ‘Low Pressure System’ on the B-side
meanwhile demonstrates how off-kilter the band can get, a slowly oscillating
electronic soundscape with bursts of white noise overlaid with sparse,
melancholy lyrics.
Harking back to an era of mega-selling singles replete with B-sides (which
are now becoming sadlyextinct), the band are sticklers for physical formats
as they are now called.
‘We are old fashioned in that we wanna have a product that people
can take away,’ Rocky nods. ‘ I could go home and download
an album and burn it on to its own CD, but it wouldn’t be the same
as me going to Probe, buying an album, opening it up and seeing the artwork’
he explains.
The transaction between the listener and the musician at this point however
is something the band are interested in doing differently. ‘Whenever
we do a gig, whatever particular thing we’re promoting at the time,
be it a single or an album, we just wanna put copies on tables, we don’t
want people to come up and ask for them’ Rocky explains. ‘There’s
that awarkwardness of someone having to be there and hand it over, that
thing of ‘Do I have to pay for this?’ ‘Should I have
to pay for this?’
The current approach is far more straightforward the pair feel. ‘We
put it out, almost like beer mats’ Rocky continues. ‘You could
say it’s devaluing the whole thing, but fuck it, that’s an
argument for another day. In the past we’ve put things out, people
have took them, gone away and then contacted us later. I like that’
he states.
Indeed, the economics of making music, recording and distribution are
something the band very much has its own take on. Any monies received
from their CDs is seemingly near-irrelevant to the band.
‘If it ever got to the stage where whatever we wanted to do we
couldn’t afford; then we’d have to ask people who’d
come along for some money to help us do it’ Ronny explains. ‘But
so far, everything that we wanted to do we’ve been able to afford.
We can record the music, we can print it up and all that sort of thing
and people seem to enjoy what we do when they come along.’
Ronny continues, ‘If we were to do a big gig in a park and we couldn’t
foot the bill, but we thought there would be enough people coming along
to justify it, then we might ask them to contribute.
But that’s the only time money would come into it’ he explains,
almost wincing. ‘A lot of this is about our own entertainment. We’re
in the red with this whole project!’ he says laughing.
‘We love what we do’ Rocky continues. ‘And if we can
come up with a product which we think is fucking great, I’m a fan,
I wanna try and get it into the grubby mits of as many people as I can.
I don’t wanna turn round and say, ‘That’s three pounds’,
that’s two pounds’ and there has to be some sort of transaction,
I want as many people as possible to get that’ he says pointing
to the ‘Guts’ single.
Opting
for a new approach in terms of payment, a memorable experiment the band
conducted with the release of their excellent Removal
Music LP last year was to ask people to do a good deed in exchange
for the disc.
‘Yeah, with the last album we had the ‘good’ thing,
which kind of fell on its arse a bit!’ Rocky laughs. ‘We got
a tiny bit of aggression from some people. One person said ‘I ain’t
gonna do what you tell me, I’m gonna give you money like anyone
else.’ We got a fiver thrown at us by one person in the Everyman!’
After that venture, the band decided to change tack. ‘What we decided
with the ‘Lips, Limbs, Lungs’ single, wherever there’s
light, there has to be dark’ Rocky explains. ‘So we asked
people to do a dark deed.’ Before anyone accuses the band of fermenting
unrest or being revolutionaries in the literal sense, the duo’s
suggestions for the ‘dark deeds’ should quickly disabuse anyone
of that notion. ‘One suggestion we’ve had is to lick a policeman’s
face…’ Ronny grins helplessly at the complete absence of evil
in his plan.
Named after a Guatemalan fertility God, Ronny arrived at the band’s
moniker from his time with a previous group and revived it for the current
set-up with Rocky. ‘We’d both get the ferry over to work in
Seacombe, and Ronny would come down with his headphones on’ Rocky
explains. After discovering a mutual love of The Velvet Underground and
the writings of Bertrand Russell, the notion of the duo working together
musically began to formulate.
Listing The Pixies, Nick Cave, Tom Waits, Led Zeppelin, John Coltrane,
Charles Mingus, Can and Faust as influences, the two both select the man
who set much of glam rock in train as personal favourite. ‘The main
thing that crosses over between the two of us is Bowie, specifically the
Diamond Dogs LP’ Ronny notes. Positive proof can be found in ‘Dull
Boy’, which marries the kind of melodies Goldfrapp unwisely abandoned
a few years ago with a surging Mick Ronson guitar riff.
‘We’re no the sort of people who try to replicate things
that we like, it’s more a case of ‘What can we do?’
Ronny suggests. Meanwhile a production technique inspired from Brian Eno’s
groundbreaking 1970s work, where the details only become apparent after
multiple listens is also emulated by the group. ‘When we record
stuff there’s a lot of stuff you hear on the second, third, fourth
listen, which wouldn’t be apparent the first time you hear it’
Ronny says.
Despite their expansive sound, the band are resolutely DIY in their approach
to music making. The most expensive purchase they have in their armoury
is a vocal mike costing £120, while Ronny’s refracted guitar
sound comes courtesy of a hulking amp left ‘rotting in some guy’s
shed’ that was given to him for free.
Elsewhere Mashemon’s electronic spine proves to be a classic case
of magpie-like purchasing. ‘OMD bought a Fairlight, a primitive
sampler for twenty-five grand in 1982, you could have bought a house for
that back then’ Rocky explains. ‘I remember coming home with
that on a CD I’d just bought from some bloke that also had Prophet
5 on it, the thing you hear on Soft Cell’s stuff. It was the ubiquitous
synth sound everyone had at the time.’
‘Your whole software can be bought from a car boot sale like ours
was for a fiver’ he says of the group’s pulsating backdrops.
Capable of producing symphonic sweeps or endlessly unspooling synth drones,
the software provides much of he trio’s multifaceted musical backing.
While
the band are huge fans of some areas of electronica, (‘The Human
League’s first three albums, first two Depeche Mode, early electro
stuff’ Rocky says) the band resist being considered a full-on electronic
act.
‘There’s always an attempt to corral us into a synthpop thing
and we don’t belong there’ Ronny says. A case in point was
a recent gig in Sheffield where the group played alongside none other
than Floating Death Picnic who comprised of ‘Some geezer with a
sampler, a plank of wood, a drumstick and some other various things,’
remembers Ronny, still mildly traumatized by the experience. ‘Drummer,
guitar, bass, laptop doing its stuff, that more clearly defines what we
sound like, which is fairly raucous’ he says. Drummer Andy, added
to the line-up six months ago gives the band more power live, with the
group now sounding ‘a lot more muscular’ according to Ronny.
On the subject of playing live, (in the basement of News From Nowhere) is the band’s
first choice for gigs, the subterranean gig parlour/meeting place/café
the scene of their best performances they feel. ‘We did gig at the
basement which was bonkers enough but the second one, for Love Music Hate
Racism (formerly known as Rock Against Racism) that was wall to wall sweat.’
Grins Ronny.
The band’s gigs are notable for their back projections that accompany
all their songs, an idea that was planted early in the band’s mind.
‘The very first gig I ever went to was The Human League in ’81
at The Royal Court’ Rocky recalls, ‘all these random images
would flash up on the projection screens, that’s definitely seeped
in to what I’m about. Probably the best gig I’ve ever seen
was The Flaming Lips, it really was an assault on the senses, I thought
I was gonna pass out.’
Seeing this made the group want to use visuals for their own performances,
which has proven to be an inspired move. ‘We’ve got that footage
of Pan’s People dancing to ‘Sanity Check’ and you would
swear that they’re dancing to that song’ Rocky states.
Indeed, the film which serves as the track’s music video, featuring
the 1970s dance troupe from a vintage Top of the
Pops episode looks uncannily like it was made for the song. The
‘Alistair Sim remix’ meanwhile features a spacegirl clad Raquel
Walsh unwittingly dancing along.
‘Sanity Check’ rails against the proliferation of FHM,
Maxim et al, an era ushered in by Loaded
which now dominate the magazine shelves in every supermarket and newsagents.
Their subsequent move from the top shelf onto the middle-racks directly
inspired the lyrics.
Ronny takes up the story, ‘The song is about me going from work
to buy my lunch at the local Tesco’s and everytime having to walk
past all the lad’s mags. I’m just sick of it’ he says,
shaking his head.
Rocky offers his own interpretation, ‘To me, that song I always
envisage someone on a bus at 8.40am going to work and then looking at
another bus that pulls up with a big pair of boobs on the side saying
‘Cosmetic surgery available at Matthew St’. At 8.40am you
don’t want to be looking at that.’
Lyrics such as these has possibly led to the ‘political’
tag that occasionally gets applied to the band , which slightly irks them.
‘We’ve done a couple of fundraisers, I think we generally
come from that kind of area, we could be viewed as being a political band
by association, but the songs aren’t overtly political’ Rocky
offers. ‘Godspeed! You Black Emperor got tagged with being political
and they’re instrumental’.
‘I don’t know if it’s Political with a big P, possibly
with a small p. Personal politics is probably a good way of describing
it’ Ronny offers. ‘Some people seem to have us pigeonholed
as Chumbawumba, which is completely not the case.’
‘‘Music should be melodic, rhythmical or entertaining’.
Those are three things that it shouldn’t be. You can do whatever
the hell you like’ Ronny states. ‘If anyone tells you to stop
doing it, unless you get chased out of your home by people with pitchforks
it’s probably because no-one likes what you’re doing. But
until you get to that stage, do what ever the hell you like’ he
shrugs, smiling.
All of Mashemon’s releases are now available from
, Percy
Gulliver’s Print shop and Social (81 Bold St.) and from the band’s
website:
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